I recently received this comment.
I think you’ve taken one tiny line of one speech and blown it totally out of proportion. Show me more evidence that Obama is going to create a second security force outside of Homeland security and we’ll talk.
What I don’t understand is why it’s such a bad thing for students to do some mandatory volunteer work. It helps them to see beyond their selves– a major problem in today’s society. The view point of rich kids is “ME ME ME,” and if they were required to reach out and do something beneficial to the whole of society then maybe they would consider some of the social careers that are in desperate need of qualified applicants– nursing and teaching especially. Also, the tax credit wouldn’t necessarily go to the student, but the parent who claims that student as a dependent on their taxes. If my parents had received a $4000 tax break due to my community service, they would have rejoiced! I would not have received that tax break, because I was still a dependent of my parents until after I graduated from college, like the vast majority of college students. This is a HUGE benefit for middle class and poor families trying to break a bad financial cycle with education. I think it’s a great idea.
This was from somebody named Katie, in response to this posting of mine about Barack’s Mandatory Volunteer programs. http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2008/07/07/baracks-brown-shirts/#comment-2023
So now I have to beat poor Katie over the head. When I’m done, some of you will probably think that I’m being mean. You’ll think that I’m not being fair. Well too bad. Life is mean, and it sure as hell isn’t fair, and the sooner people like this wrap their brains around that fact the safer the rest of us will be from their meddling.
I think you’ve taken one tiny line of one speech and blown it totally out of proportion
If you think that it is okay for a presidential candidate to throw out random things about how they’re going to start a trillion dollar unconstitutional program we’re going to have a hard time communicating. You don’t get to that level of politics by saying things on accident.
‘Proportion’? Are you serious? A presidential candidate threw out a random tidbit about how he wants to make the largest change to the US government since… well… ever… and that’s ‘out of proportion’? Out of proportion would be digging a trench around Washington DC, filling it with lava, and then using trebuchets to launch plague rats into the city, only that would cost less.
Hmmm… If I ran for office and used my Lava Plague Rat Plan as a platform, I might actually get somewhere.
Show me more evidence that Obama is going to create a second security force outside of Homeland security and we’ll talk.
I don’t have to show you anything. I’m not your messiah. He’s the one proposing the Brownshirt plan. What? Do you think he said it on accident? So Obama’s either stupid, or he’s evil. Take your pick. That line wasn’t in the transcript of his speech given to the press. That was a slip. It was an off the cuff comment that reveals what kind of man he really is. Unfortunately you won’t see any evidence of this until after he gets elected, and with a congress of bootlicking sycophants, there won’t be talk, he’ll just do it.
What I don’t understand is why it’s such a bad thing for students to do some mandatory volunteer work.
Read what you just wrote. Engage your friggin’ brain for a second. MANDATORY VOLUNTEER. It’s an oxymoron (with the accent on moron). If you’re coercing someone to do something, or you’re paying them, then they’re not volunteers.
It helps them to see beyond their selves– a major problem in today’s society.
I missed the part where that’s the government’s problem. Hell, I missed the part where that’s my problem. If you find yourself waking up in the middle of the night, worrying about how altruistic our college students are, you need to take a valium and go back to sleep. It’s none of your damned business.
The view point of rich kids is “ME ME ME,” and if they were required to reach out and do something beneficial to the whole of society then maybe they would consider some of the social careers that are in desperate need of qualified applicants– nursing and teaching especially.
Wait a second. When I went to college I made $7.15 an hour. I put myself through school by working my ass off. I didn’t know very many ‘rich’ kids at Utah State, but then again, I didn’t get to go to Princeton on the taxpayer’s dime like Michelle Obama.
ME ME ME? Damn right. It is all about me. I’m an American. That means that I have the freedom to do what I want. I don’t have to live my life according to the dictates of a semi-retarded majority. I’m not a member of a collective. I’m an independent being who does what I want. I’m not a slave, I’m not a serf, and I’m not a servant.
Stupid liberals can’t seem to wrap their minds around the fact that you can’t indoctrinate compassion. You can’t force people to be nice. If you coerce me into doing mandatory volunteer work, I’ll HATE whatever it is you’re trying to make me do.
Your plan is to punish people you don’t like, in the vain hopes that they’re going to suddenly decide to become inner-city school teachers or something. I missed that part of the Constitution.
Also, the tax credit wouldn’t necessarily go to the student, but the parent who claims that student as a dependent on their taxes. If my parents had received a $4000 tax break due to my community service, they would have rejoiced!
I was not a dependant. I moved out when I was 16. I had to survive on my own or perish. I think I can see why we have a different view of the world. Your view, however, is stupid.
Your idea is presumptuous and self-centered. You want everybody to do what you want, and you’re willing to use the power of the state to enforce it. That is the ultimate in self-righteous egocentric claptrap. You assume that your way is morally superior and everyone can fall into line.
I’m in favor of freedom. Freedom to choose your own path. Freedom to volunteer if I want to. America was made great because we were a nation where free men could choose their own way, their own path. Our government was created to protect our rights, not to tell us what to do, not to make up morality, or tell us what to do with our time, energy, and property. That was nice while it lasted.
I would not have received that tax break, because I was still a dependent of my parents until after I graduated from college, like the vast majority of college students.
I don’t care. That’s my tax money you’re taking to subsidize your false morality. If the things you believed in were worth volunteering for, then somebody would actually volunteer. Bribery isn’t volunteering.
You may think that I’m heartless. That I don’t like volunteerism… That I’m some sort of right-wing fascist. However I’m willing to bet that I’ve personally volunteered far more than you ever have.
I served two years as a missionary. I bet that I’ve spent more hours, working about eighty hours a week, during those two years, with zero pay, than Barack Obama has in his entire life. Not only did I not get paid, I PAID to go. I put my life on hold to do what I thought was right. I spent more time in the inner-city than Barack ever has, and he dares to presume to lecture me about volunteering?
I volunteer now. I teach people to shoot, for free. I’m betting that that’s not going to be on the Brownshirt approved list. I volunteer at my church. I’m willing to bet that since my organization doesn’t have gay Boy Scout leaders, then that won’t count either. But somehow being forced by the government to volunteer to do something that I don’t believe in is morally superior. If I’m either bribed, or forced by my school in order to graduate, to do something that somebody else decided was important, then that’s somehow good.
The way it is now, people can choose what they believe, and then exercise their free agency accordingly. Your method relies on coercion, force, or bribery, to make others fall into line with your choices.
So which one of us is the fascist now, Katie?
This is a HUGE benefit for middle class and poor families trying to break a bad financial cycle with education.
Goodie for them. I grew up dirt poor, unlike Barack Obama. I know what real poverty is. I was the first member of my family to get a college education.
You know what really breaks the ‘bad financial cycle’? Quit waiting around for the government to come and make your life better. Quit waiting around for the government to punish somebody who has more stuff than you. Government is not Robin Hood, robbing from the rich to give to the poor. Government is a giant, forceful, idiotic brute that clubs everybody indiscriminately, punishes success, and rewards stupidity, all while being cheered on by fools.
I think it’s a great idea.
See what I said about fools…
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